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 no IGt or IGd signal from ECU
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driftcraziiiii
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OK well I got power to everything ecu, ignitor, and coils. No spark.

The CAS has good resistance. I'm getting 0.28v on all 4 wires while cranking. Is there enough voltage to these?

Also the trigger wires IGt and IGd are only getting about 30 mV to the ignitor and it never changes while cranking. What could be the cause of the trigger wires not kicking over? Does anyone know if these are supposed to hit 5 or12v when triggered?

Everything seems to be wired up correctly. Have continuity to the correct pins on he ecu between everything. Couldn't figure out why the coils wouldn't pass the charge to the spark plugs. No IGt and no IGd signal would definitely cause this issue.... just not sure what voltage should be where to narrow down if my cas or ecu is bad... or a bad wire somewhere..



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 Re: no IGt or IGd signal from ECU (driftcraziiiii) » Reply  Edit


Why does it seem as if everyone is hording information. There's gotta be someone on this board that knows..... I did find this value of 7.94v





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 Re: no IGt or IGd signal from ECU (driftcraziiiii) » Reply  Edit


What ECU are you using ?? I assume from the screenshot that it is an aftermarket
unit. In which case I guess you know you can't use the GZE igniter ?? You need a
two channel "dumb" igniter, and set your ECU to provide two triggers so that you
can run wasted spark.

IGt should probably be in the range 0.7 - 1.0V during cranking, leastways that is
what a bluetop would be, and I see no reason why a GZE would be any different.

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 Re: no IGt or IGd signal from ECU (jondee86) » Reply  Edit


ok the screen shot was just a reference.... showing almost 8 volts. I'm currently only getting 0.3v with a semi weak needs to probably be charged battery.

I have a stock ECU stock CAS stock coils 7mgte ignitor. can't figure out why it won't spark. seems like everything is there... just no go. I just can't find this info anywhere. 0.7-1.0v is close to right. happen to know the CAS voltages going to the ECU?



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 Re: no IGt or IGd signal from ECU (driftcraziiiii) » Reply  Edit


Maybe this will help... http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=67572

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 Re: no IGt or IGd signal from ECU (jondee86) » Reply  Edit


Tried that as well. Doesn't even spit or sputter.

Timing marks all lined up where they should be. Cas inserted with the gear lined up while cylinder #1 was TDC when inserted. There doesn't seem to by any trigger pulses from the ecu. Or the ecu isn't getting signal from the cas to the ecu.

Double and triple checked the wires and they all check out on the correct pin # on the correct ecu connector to where they should go.

Hopefully the cas will ship sometime soon. Just paid for an ae101 ECU today as well. So maybe sometime next week they'll get here? If that's not the problem at least I have a spare.

I'm also getting fuel to every cylinder. So the issue just resides in the ignition system somewhere.



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 Re: no IGt or IGd signal from ECU (driftcraziiiii) » Reply  Edit


Got the igniter bolted down ?? Pretty sure it will ground thru the outer casing, so
it needs to be bolted/grounded to the chassis.

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 Re: no IGt or IGd signal from ECU (jondee86) » Reply  Edit


Yes sir. I even checked the voltage to the battery off the casing of the ignitor to make sure it was good.

I have power everywhere even on the ignitor triggers for G1 and G2 to the coils. They just never drop off or "blink" to spark. Really leaning towards a faulty part.... cas or ecu. Or 1 ground I'm missing or something. I have engine grounds as well.

Is there anything else that could cause no spark? Like a bad temp sensor or something oddly strange that I'm not checking.



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 Re: no IGt or IGd signal from ECU (driftcraziiiii) » Reply  Edit


Got an AE101 ecu and rewired it up to match the 101 which there is 6 wires you have to change. Still nothing. Also about halfway through checking the connections from he ecu to the engine harness.... still nothing. I'm on the verge of throwin in the towel on this one. I don't want to drop money on a stand alone system for a stock engine. Let alone at this point that won't make a difference... different ecu still no go.

Modified by driftcraziiiii at 11:36 PM 4/2/2012



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 Re: no IGt or IGd signal from ECU (driftcraziiiii) » Reply  Edit


Need more info to be able to help


This might help
Your IGD might be the IGDa and IGDb signals on the DLI system
But that would be a guess without more info

http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h23.pdf





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 Re: no IGt or IGd signal from ECU (Davegt27) » Reply  Edit


Yea I read through that a few times. REALLY good article.

Ok so i kind of shotgun'd this problem. while waiting on parts I took the harness back out of the car and started going through everything. tracing wires etc. Then I figured while I have it I'll go THROUGH the harness. found out someone else had been in there before I got it at some point in it's life. found half ass'd soldered wires all over the place just wrapped in electrical tape. So I went back through resoldered them and used heat shrink. Changed out the 26 pin connector just for fun while I was there to eliminate that as well.

Put it back in the car got it all wired back up and was getting spark on 2 of 4 cylinders. sweet! that's a plus. This is with a 7mgte ignitor which is grounded btw. So i started playing with the trigger wires. Started with this...
http://www.club4ag.com/faq_and...I.htm

and knew it wouldn't work from this....

http://forums.club4ag.com/zerothread?id=67572

Now I searched and searched and searched for a wiring diagram on the IGNITOR side not the supra engine harness side as the first link shows. I'm not fully sure why it shows the supra engine harness side as most people on here don't have the supra harness... or maybe that's just me. So with no luck finding one I thought it was worth a shot to open it up and see if they were stamped or labeled like the ECU is. Sure enough it is! woot! Now mind you the ignitor I have is from a 1992 Supra. Here's the wiring for the ignitor side of things to save anyone a headache of stripping those little screws:

IGt: RED
IGf: GREY
IGd-A: WHITE
IGd-B: ORANGE
+B: BROWN
TAC: YELLOW

C1: BLUE
C2: BLACK
C3: GREEN

Now I made sure I had the correct wire on the ignitor pin by checking back to the ecu as I repinned mine and stole a plug off another harness for this to work for me and look orginal, and also because there are a couple black wires on one plug.... as so:

4agze wiring harness:

IGt - BLACK
IGf - BLACK/YELLOW
IGd - BLACK/ORANGE (smaller of the two)
+B - BLACK/ORANGE (bigger of the two)
TAC - BLACK

IG1 - BLACK/BLUE
IG2 - BLACK


the top portion is hooked up exactly the same as so:

Ignitor -> GZE harness

IGt -> IGt
IGd-A -> IGd-A
IGf -> IGf
+B ->+B
TAC -> TAC

in case something wasn't clear with that.

Then the trigger wires seems to be the biggest issue and all I could find anywhere was changing two pins around, and not really detailed about what to what. so now to the trigger wires.

I used:

C3 (ignitor) -> IG1 (gze)
C2 (ignitor) -> IG2 (gze)

didn't use C1 as it didn't fire correctly and my CAS was only sending G1 signal no G2 hence 2 of 4 sparking.

I'm not sure if I should have posted this in a new thread or not... but here it is. haha The car fired up only to find out there's a mechanical problem in the head.... BUT that's a different issue.




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Glad you got it going. Feel free to tell us the problem .



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Someone was in the wiring harness before. I found about 10 wires that were poorly soldered together. They had continuity, but horrible resistance. So I unwrapped the harness till I found the issue and resoldered/heatshrinked those wires. Then I got spark on 2 cylinders. Played around with the Ignitor wiring and the CAS, and ended up sparking all 4.

I need to figure out an issue with the CEL as it does not turn on with the key in the "ON" position, but will turn on after cranking 2-3 seconds. Also figure out why my "rotary solenoid" clicks like crazy in the "ON" position, but stops clicking after cranking it over. The engine starts up and runs fine now. Just gotta work the little bugs out now.

Thanks for all the help/tips/suggestions/advice!



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 Re: no IGt or IGd signal from ECU (driftcraziiiii) » Reply  Edit


Quote, originally posted by driftcraziiiii »
The CAS has good resistance. I'm getting 0.28v on all 4 wires while cranking. Is there enough voltage to these?

Looks wrong to me,
too much voltage.

You should have 3 signal and an earth,
so only 3 wires should have voltage.

Check the G- signal from the ECU to the dist.

Did you measure that with everything connected?





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