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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (HASportAE86) » | 6:51 AM 6/21/2009 |
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I'd drill out the stake on the pinion nut, or try to open it up with a narrow/cape chisel or even a straight tip screwdriver. Please show a pic of the nut's stake & the pinion's keyway. Didn't the threads need to be cleaned up? Please show a pic of the flange, the part where the seal rides on it that may be rough & worn. If you don't use an impact, how do you hold the flange? Did it start to leak after using a power washer on/near it? Thanks.
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (allencr) » | 9:51 AM 6/21/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by allencr » | I'd drill out the stake on the pinion nut, or try to open it up with a narrow/cape chisel or even a straight tip screwdriver. Please show a pic of the nut's stake & the pinion's keyway. Didn't the threads need to be cleaned up? Please show a pic of the flange, the part where the seal rides on it that may be rough & worn. If you don't use an impact, how do you hold the flange? Did it start to leak after using a power washer on/near it? Thanks. |
-The stake: This is why I recommended using an impact, but if you don't have one a chisel and hammer will un-stake it. The pinion nut is not on there very tight, I'm sure applying the E-brake would suffice to break it loose once unstaked. I wouldn't take a drill to the pinion nut in the off chance you end up damaging the pinion threads. -The threads: Did not need to be cleaned up. I'm not too sure where you're going with this, please explain. They weren't cross-threaded and the pinion threads are never really exposed to the elements. Please elaborate on some of these questions....
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (HASportAE86) » | 6:58 AM 6/22/2009 |
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In my experience, removing a staked nut chews up those threads even though they might look good, because by the time the nut is completely removed it has somewhat 'straightened' them out. That nut should be very tight, to factory spec and then some, so any thread roughness messes up what the torque on it really is.Oops, sorry, you're absolutely right - this thing isn't shimmed but is reusing a pre-crushed crush sleeve.
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Even if the threads on the staked portion on the nut to the last thread at the end of the pinion were messed up, those threads don't even hold the torque load of the nut when pinion nut is installed.
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (allencr) » | 4:46 PM 6/22/2009 |
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| Quote, originally posted by allencr » | | In my experience, removing a staked nut chews up those threads even though they might look good, because by the time the nut is completely removed it has somewhat 'straightened' them out. That nut should be very tight, to factory spec and then some, so any thread roughness messes up what the torque on it really is. |
*palm to face* .....to keep this topic moving, yes....unstake the nut. I don't want 3 pages of debate on whether or not to unstake a soft metal nut. However, the nut should only be tightened to the point where you marked it though. This is pinion preload and you can OVERTIGHTEN it. There is no torque spec for that nut, you tighten it until there is 4.3-6.9 INCH POUNDS of resistance when measured. Overtightening the nut will further crush the one-time use only crush sleeve, driving the pinion bearings further into their races, and destroying the front pinion bearing.
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (HASportAE86) » | 10:48 AM 7/20/2009 |
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Thanks for taking the time to share - I'm ordering the seal today & plan to replace this comming weekend.85 coupe. DW
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (Dwoods) » | 2:56 AM 7/25/2009 |
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UP! this info should be saved,like a "sticky". -Jon
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (JDreamer) » | 9:12 AM 8/3/2010 |
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awesome job! thanks for the info and clear directions lol.
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (HASportAE86) » | 10:17 PM 8/3/2010 |
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Slightly off topic, but is that an OEM driveshaft ?? I see a zerk in one of the caps, so have you done some mods, or is it a custom shaft ?? Cheers... jondee86 PS: You are doing a great job with these writeups... bigs ups for making the effort
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (jondee86) » | 10:57 PM 8/3/2010 |
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| Quote, originally posted by jondee86 » | Slightly off topic, but is that an OEM driveshaft ?? I see a zerk in one of the caps, so have you done some mods, or is it a custom shaft ?? Cheers... jondee86 PS: You are doing a great job with these writeups... bigs ups for making the effort |
It was an aftermarket, replacement 2-piece driveshaft. Not sure where I got it, I picked it up like 4yrs ago now The car I did this on I no longer own but go to the track with it from time to time Good tech write-ups keep the community alive and 86's on the road instead of in the junkyard
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (HASportAE86) » | 7:15 PM 11/7/2010 |
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How hard do you have to tap the seal puller to remove the seal? Do you have to hammer pretty hard or does the seal come out fairly easily? And also when you tap the new seal in?
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (Slang) » | 6:57 AM 11/8/2010 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Slang » | | How hard do you have to tap the seal puller to remove the seal? Do you have to hammer pretty hard or does the seal come out fairly easily? And also when you tap the new seal in? |
That seal is usually in there pretty good, so don't be shy when it comes to tapping it out. Give it some medium strength taps and watch for it to slowly start coming out. When putting the seal back in, give it light taps and take your time. Rushing the job can lead to the seal going in crooked and you getting screwed and then gotta go run out and order another seal. The metal portion of the seal DOES NOT sit flush with the housing, the seal actually sits 4mm deep into the 3rd member. A good trick that I use is to take whatever piece of small length, large diameter tube you will being using to tap the seal in......make a ring with a marker or piece of tape 4mm from the bottom of the tube. This will serve as a stoping point when you are tapping the seal in. Simply keep tapping while looking at the reference mark you made on your tube. When the reference line is flush with the housing all the way around, you'll know that you are 4mm deep and even.
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (HASportAE86) » | 8:48 AM 11/8/2010 |
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Thanks for the great write up!
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (Slang) » | 11:38 AM 11/8/2010 |
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i really dont wanna get off topic here.. but its along the same lines... as my car is now.. i have the wier 4.7 gear.. i had to go to 3 different shops to get it right.. or close to right as in noise and feel.. but to this day it still has a whine.. even though its all new parts... this weekends maintenence showed me a leaking pinion seal so im gonna need to change it anyway.. but here is my question for u... how much free play should u have there.. seriously i can turn the driveshaft back and forth a quarter turn before getting any real resistance.. sound about right or horribly wrong?
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (gtSr5) » | 9:54 AM 11/9/2010 |
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I just got the seal replaced. The old seal was stuck so bad it didn't come out at the first try but the WD40 saved the day again. It took me about 2.5 hours including draining and refilling the oil, cleaning the undercarriage, etc. If you are good, this should be like 1 hour job or less, though the local shops quoted like $180 to $300 labor. Cost: New Seal $8 (plus $7 shipping, online order) Seal Puller $18 (Harbor Freight) Plumbing pipe coupling $4 (2" diameter, Home Depot) 6 pack Heineken for my buddy to use his garage. $8 I'm glad I got this done. No more stinky oil leak! Thanks again for the great write up. What happened to the original post?
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Anyone happen to have the original DIY??
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (HASportAE86) » | 5:49 AM 1/30/2011 |
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Great tech write up but per manual instructions the nut should be torqued to 80ft-lbs. With old bearing preload should be 5-8kg-cm(4.3-6.9in-lbs.) (page RA21-22) on toyota manual. It also states that if preload greater after the 80ft-lbs, bearing spaces should be replaced but if less then retighten the nut 9ft-lbs at a time untill the specified preload is reached not to exceed 174ft-lbs. Now from my experience replacing the seal, after torquing to 80ft-lbs the nut lined up perfect with the old staked spot/mark. ps. if by any chance your ebrake wont hold the wheels to torque the nut then jack the front up as much as your jack allows and leave the rear tires on the ground that way they dont move for sure.
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (elis4ag) » | 11:28 PM 1/30/2011 |
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The purpose of this writeup was (as is clearly stated from the outset) to provide a quick and easy method of replacing the pinion seal on-car. That is, without having to dismantle the rear axle assembly, and without needing a bunch of special tools and measuring instuments. The pinion has already been setup, so there is no need to generate the kind of torque that is necessary to crush the crush tube. The tube is already the right length. If the nut goes back on in exactly the same position it was before, then the bearing preload will be correct, or at least the same as it was before. Whatever torque you need to apply to the nut to get back to its previous position, is the amount of torque you need. 40, 60, 80 ft-lbs, it is not important. The FSM shows the technically correct way of doing things. But in the real world of fixing cars, there are a lot of shortcuts that can save you time and money. This is one of them  Cheers... jondee86
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is there a difference on the zenki and kouki pinion seal?
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thanks bro, I appreciate it.
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I would expect my SR5 has a different seal part number, but would the installation still be the same?
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Just did this today, thanks for the write up!
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| Re: DIY Write-Up: Replace your leaking pinion seal ON CAR (HASportAE86) » | 10:12 AM 9/26/2011 |
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great write up ive been watching this site for awhile before and after i got my 87 corolla coupe u guys run a great site cant wait to return the favor thanks HASportAE86 i have oil everywhere under my car for this reason and thought it was too much to do myself with this write up im not gonna go in blind
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i have a 84 sr5 and theyre asking for two different sizes. anyway of telling without buying them both and returning one? i believe the sizes are 6.7 and 7.3.
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| Quote, originally posted by tomsd03 » | i have a 84 sr5 and theyre asking for two different sizes. anyway of telling without buying them both and returning one? i believe the sizes are 6.7 and 7.3.
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GTS rear ends are 6.7" ring gears SR5's are 6.3" The part you need is going to be NOT THE ONE I provided for the pinion seal, that one is for a GTS. Everything procedure wise is still the same.
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Ahh, sank yu HASport!!
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Just changed ut my pinion seal with this technique step by step and it has worked so well. My pumpkin is bone dry without a drop in sight! I will save this thread for future jobs. Amazing article, 5 stars!!!
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Thx for the writeup! I didn't have a pipe that size, but you can just use the old seal, just cut the rubber off on the input side and tap tap taparoo
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