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| Re: DIYPNP - Megasquirt with a 4AG connector! (Russ) » | 1:52 PM 8/14/2009 |
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FINALLY. everyone should have standalone now. =D
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| Re: DIYPNP - Megasquirt with a 4AG connector! (Russ) » | 4:38 PM 8/14/2009 |
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ABOUT TIME!!! Thanks for the heads up, I'll definitely be getting one!!
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So you just build the box (ecu), take your factory ecu out and plug this in, and you`re done? If thats how it works , I need one
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indeed you do atilla.
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finally!! i am gonna buy this soon lol
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P n P.... unassembled ? 1st time seeing that packagedwould've been sweet to have a real PnP, with base map and all. A couple guys offered such a true PnP version for our much rarer starions, with amazing results for the dollar value. Surprised nobody stepped up, for the far more popular rolla
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I'll have mine later this week and let everyone know how it goes, now to find a base map!Edit: They have a "base" map sorta already for me, just have to edit some ignition stuff and its set already. Its based off an MR2 4agte car.
Modified by Madeinthe80s at 12:52 PM 8/17/2009
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Foundsoul
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Just updated our application guide for your cars-- yes it's based off of my MR2, but the pinout is 100% the same. We've got an AE86 in the shop actually, but it's already had a new custom harness laid out in it for a wire in MS before we released this.http://diyautotune.com/diypnp/....html As we do more of these Application Docs we'll put them online here: http://diyautotune.com/diypnp/models.html
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mustangraptor03

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Good to see that that I wasn't the only one wondering. I was thinking of somewhat basing my map on the MR2 but didn't know what was done on the MR2. Thanks!!
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just heard about this elsewhere. and i already got a MS built into a factory ecu box and have the connectors to the factory harness ready, just plug and play. kinda ironic that this comes out as i put mine up FS and decided not to use MS at all.
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dude this cuts out SO much work. making the pigtail and researching the pinout schematics takes a lot of time and confusion. i cant believe it. haha. this is great.
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nice product... anyone tested it?
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no 20v  Mike
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I know I don't count since I run DIY, but I've been running it on my 86 MR2 (4AGTE) for several weeks now. Have it controlling the boost too. Tested it on a 1995 Miata as well. Converted that one to sequential Coil-Per-Plug ignition using this box. Works like a charm. Tested on a 1984 RX7 GSL-SE (had to wire it in here, but wanted to test it on this ignition system). Works great. Tested on a 1995 Honda Civic EX. Again... Flawless. We just released to the public on Friday so if you want to take a wait and see approach you'll have to give it a bit of time. But FYI we just announced this promotion last night to help get the word out: http://diyautotune.com/diypnp/diypnp_promo.html
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Foundsoul
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No support for the 20v? Says who?Looks to me like the AE101 SilverTop uses what we're calling the N76 connector: Here are two pinouts (manual and auto): http://i229.photobucket.com/al...1.jpg http://i229.photobucket.com/al...o.jpg http://www.club4ag.com/faq_and...r.htm And here's the connector in our kit: http://diyautotune.com/diypnp/...s.jpg Perfect match. And the Blacktop appears to be a perfect match too-- http://www.club4ag.com/faq_and...k.htm
20v'ers. Eat your heart out .
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mxpunk
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alot of ppl complain about the MS losing maps and whatnot....do you ever experience this?
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No I can't say I've had any unexplainable problems like that, there's nothing inherently flaky about the MS system, it's less expensive because it can be, not because there's anything wrong with anything.Most issues I've ever had have been problems I've caused myself. I've corrupted my firmware when I tried to connect to the ECU with the wrong software configuration (setup for older firmware). That's an easy fix, reflash the firmware and reload your map. It was my mistake that caused it though, and the new tuning software (TunerStudio) makes it harder to make this mistake. I've mis-wired things and had to track down my mistake. Other things of that nature. That's not to say that anything is 100% bug free (no system is, and the MS is among the better probably). But typically if I do run into a bug it's when I'm using a pre-release (beta/alpha) release of the software/firmware rather than the release code which is pretty thoroughly tested. Hmmm.... trying to think of any other examples. If you have low battery voltage you can have a hard time saving the maps, but that would typically be less than 9v. Really man, these things just do their job and do it well. I was out on the salt flats last week crewing for Gary Hart again, he ran 248mph this year on an MS1. We wouldn't trust a world record and a motor worth 10's of k's to anything we didn't know we could trust. Too bad that motor had oiling issues on the backup run this year, the passenger turbo didn't get enough oil and ate itself. Motor kept going though, just with questionable oil pressure and might have hurt the bearings. Needs to be gone through now. We almost got Gary his red hat this year. We needed a 245mph average between the two runs to do it. If it had just held oil pressure for 15 more seconds..... oh well.
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http://videos.streetfire.net/v...4.htmKeep a close eye on the oil pressure gauge (right Mickey-ear). At about 1min it starts to drop, keeps working down, and by 1:30ish there's no pressure. Then you hear the turbo say 'bye bye' and the car fills with smoke for a few seconds.
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What about running DLI without a edis wheel?Can this be done with this MS setup on the 20v without having the dizzy in the back? Mike
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I've got a DLI CAS here from my AE101 GZE motor (converted to GTE) and we bench tested it, looks good. That's not the same as running it on a car, but in the past we've seen issues on the bench, and those are solved. That's also an identical ignition trigger setup to the RX7 we tested, which is why we made sure to test that vehicle thoroughly. That's another car that in the past we had to jump through hoops to properly condition the VR signals on, and the triggers were cleaner now with this new box than they have ever been. It runs great. So you should have no problem using a DLI system- CAS with the coils packs. The 16v DLI (like on the late GZEs) and 20v DLI are pretty much the same internally, so neither should be a problem. If somebody has one locally they can drop off for a few days (Atlanta area), with a virgin harness, we've got a deal for you. You buy the kit, we'll build it, install it, and get it running for free. And if you want it tuned we'll do that for cheap. We're offering this once for each type of vehicle.
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at minimum, do we still have to jumper the fuel pump wires at the afm (per Jamsel's writeup) for DIYPIP to work on stock harness? How about tvis activation? i'd like to try this with my current setup now, (bluetop w/ cams) but eventually will move on the a built bluetop
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You have a choice. You can leave the AFM in place and not worry about that. Or, you can remove the AFM, jumper the AFM connector for FP control and wire a GM IAT Sensor to the AFM Connector, and breathe easier.Both of these options are covered for the 4AG Corolla (FX16, AE86, AE92) here: http://diyautotune.com/diypnp/....html
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I got mine in today and plan on doing a write up with pictures ASAP. I just hope I have enough time to get it all in before someone beats me, heh. Im doing the GM sensor AFM bypass as well as a wideband on a stock bluetop for now. Well, it has bolt ons so we'll see.
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MAN, I wish they make one for DLI 4agze.
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kenada
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good motivator to get it done
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I see, thanks for the answer. i wasn't knocking the MS at all, i just read what others said about it and it seemed like it was a toss up, some love it, others hate it.im impressed with the fact you'd trust it on an expensive motor and this makes me more confident in using it when/if i decide to build my GTS' motor. how does the driveability on the stock bluetop compare to the stock ecu??
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I didn't take it as you knockin' anything man... not a problem.Driveablity is really as good as the tune. Properly tuned it is superb. Poorly tuned you'll hate it and wish you had a stock ECU (which was properly tuned and was therefor superb, for the stock motor). On a stock or mild motor I'd expect a 5-10% hp/tq improvement once tuned.
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how about cold starts and varying weather conditions??does the MS pnP use the stock o2 sensor or is it purely speed density? btw, did you guys upgrade the fuel system at all on that mr2?? would a walbro 255 + a set of 550cc injectors allow me to hit 400whp on a bluetop (with low comp pistons) ?
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Again it's really down to how well you tune it for various conditions. OEMs have 90million dollar (no joke) dyno rooms in which they can chill the room down to frigid temps, warm it up to simulate a hot sunny day, and change the pressure in the room to simulate different altitudes and weather conditions. Obviously you won't have access to that dyno room unless you have some friends in high places. But, it is easy enough to dial things in for your environment. The MS2/Extra default settings get you int he general ballpark for many settings, particularly the cranking pulsewidths and afterstart enrichments. These should however be fine tuned for each vehicle, and if you have any issues with a harder than normal start in a certain weather condition, you can adjust it. You've got the capability to make the vehicle cold start and warm up beautifully, and still fire up easy on a hot day after running it hard and shutting it down hot day too. The tuning software gives you full control of all of this, and you don't have to compromise. If you need to fine tune cold start, you fine tune the starting temps for cold start. Same goes for warm, hot starts. But again, in my experience with the MS2/E code this is far easier to do than it used to be. The defaults work fairly well with only minor adjustments on many vehicles. We can use a narrowband or wideband o2 sensor for closed loop feedback and EGO Correction, or we can ignore it. You can give it as much authority as you want, and you can have it make adjustments as quickly or slowly as you want. Full control. The MR2 uses 440cc 7M injectors and a Walbro 190 pump. That pump sucks to change BTW. Lastly -- your injector sizing question. For 460 crank hp, at .6 BSFC (I'm assuming you're turbo), and max duty cycle of 85%, at standard 43.5 fuel pressure, no that won't do the trick. You'd need about 850-860 cc injectors. Start increasing the fuel pressure, run a very efficient setup with a lower BSFC, or run the duty cycle a bit higher and you'll get a bit more out of them. These are the general guidelines doing the math... sometimes you can push them a bit further though than the engineers like to think. Push too far and you'll run out of fuel at WOT and 7000rpm and that's not a good thing. Modified by Foundsoul at 7:27 AM 8/24/2009
Modified by Foundsoul at 7:28 AM 8/24/2009
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