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Remember when BMW 2002 and Datsun 510 rewrote history on how small cars should also be fun? And remember how 65 Mustang was smaller but oh so pretty to look at? How the Beetle redefined how easy things should be to maintain and keep running? How shocked we were to see an MR2 appear out of nowhere from Toyota boasting a DOHC engine midship? When CRX redefined how fast a FWD can go? When Lexus LS first came into being and set in stone how a V8 sedan can be economical, ultra silent, and unbelievably fast?

Thinking back on all these events from product design and advancement of how we think of certain cars, how it's invented lifestyles around them...

Well Tada san and his team, CEO Akio Toyoda, and many passionate souls dedicating their time for 5 years. TOYOTA SPORTS CAR IS BACK and from the details of what I got in a 4 hour meeting over dinner, every specifics, every detail... I witnessed the final production version, last night, over 4 hour talk with Mr.Tada.

This car will ROCK YOUR WORLD... FT86... I will bet my soul on it. There I said it!!!!!!!!!!!




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cant wait to see it.. and DRIVE it



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good to hear Moto!



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Damn it - Am I gonna have to trade in my WRX for this??? <_<
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So I assume you are going to buy one Moto?




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Toyota probably already has one with his name on it



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so when can you break the embargo?
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I think this will be my next car...screw the BMW. lol! Thanks for your input Moto. I'm just hoping it looks as good as the prototype I saw at TAS in 2010.



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Quote, originally posted by ryceboy_124 »
I think this will be my next car...screw the BMW. lol! Thanks for your input Moto. I'm just hoping it looks as good as the prototype I saw at TAS in 2010.

It actually looks better. Take the Original FT86 concept, and add a little more flavor from Scion project's FRS Concept, then smooth down the lines so that it's less tuner looking, and more OEM finesse. Retain the 2000GT C-Pillar, sharpen the tail. And that's how a final version will be. (That's all I can tell you at this point.)

The engine? It's still EJ20 based shape. But Toyota re-casted everything, even down to the engine block with a new design, and with the Yamaha acoustics assigned to make every pulse, beat, and soul of air and vibration to become something to spice performance and tactile feel. Not much is exactly shared with the Subaru engine except the flat four configurations. However, the external mounting points remain the same as the Subaru EJ20, shared for very obvious reasons. That is so YOU can use a Subaru engine to swap if you PREFER the Subaru engine for racing. Why bother with complex fabrication, if Subaru has something you can use from 11 years of WRC?

Everything about this car is BASIC, and PURE.
It's thought out for the aftermarket builders, racing operations, and not without YOU as enthusiast, the grassroots racers, custom builders, show car builders, and parking lot meet goers.

Take for example. The front dash has a beautiful sweeping line, and yet the front corners recessed into the front window base. I asked why... and Tada san replied... "It's so you can install a roll cage to regulations for many venues, without cutting up this dash"

There are many features that go deep into the same thinking... And although such matters of owner-customizations are in place, the vehicle is very refined as is out of the box. Never before, has such low-cost niche-car seen so much research, so much development budget, and resourced with so many talents.

It was met with many challenges of financiers, and business end departments due to the era, and in the wake of many events, from dismal sports car sales in general, Lehman Crisis rendering global spending decrease, and even natural disasters. Large corporations, even Toyota, are not immune to current trends of operating under strict adherence to the speculative finance and rules of the governments and stockholders.

However and despite the unforgiving global economic climate, in the last 5 years of development of the FT86, the best minds converged for this project. Mr.Haraguchi initially to select the key individuals fir for this task, and Tada assigned ultimately, oversee the project. Both are people from MR2 and AE86 projects in the past as well as 2nd Prius and other successful cars with future mind. To add to this, eventually along the process came, the resources and technology brought from the Lexus LFA program, Teams from Subaru including WRC minds of STi, and the whole time, forced and secured by the CEO of Toyota, regarding this as his own favorite development. Akio Toyoda is a proficient and enthusiastic driver and a big fan of this car, often dropping in to test drive it.

Akio has recently shocked the staff on Nurburgring, Testing out of the blue, and drew a whole crowd of officials in panic when he strapped himself into the FT86, and started to chase down a LFA Nur-Edition that was also testing concurrently by a different department. Slipping the tail masterfully around the wet Nurburgring track....

He loves the FT86 as much as we do...
When was the last time you saw a CEO of an auto firm do THAT!!
Well I just did... in a video no less.
Yes, Akio strapped in by TAKATA belts, grinning and jerking at the wheel in quick bursts of counter-steer, cooking the Nurburgring to his own liking, and screaming past the famous Castle down the last straight back to the pits as if he was shouting to the ghosts that live in the old castle. That was an awe-inspiring footage. The usually calm Mr.Toyoda seemed to be as epic as Mel Gibson shouting “FREEDOM”

Mr.Tada continues to travel, mostly in secret cloak, but magically appearing out of the blue in conversations like this afforded to people who can represent the fans and enthusiasm, that is all of us. He is almost like the Jason Bourne of Toyota Sports car development as I see it. Always in close contact with the CEO boss, taking care of his projects covertly at times, but free minded to conjure a car for the future, fending off opinions of conventions and bureaus. Mr.Tada, and his team, logged thousands of miles in the FT86 test mule, and he says it’s STILL not finished... 5 years, and still perfecting it every day, from materials of rubber bushings to see if steering feel can be improved or gas pedal to react more passionately, and details like equipment choices on the interior. In fact, this meeting was immediately after he was shaking it down in Arizona in the massive heat...to see it through that this car will outlast the most abusive of us in what he calls madness. I assume that to be our crazy tendencies to attend silly events where we burn rear tires all day long. But yes, he has that in mind for us…

What if I told you that FT86 has NO CD player, and no Navigation screen? It's entirely possible...
He figured we'd all have smart-phones to tell us where we're going by 2012, and all we need is an FM radio to tell us if the world is ending. And for all other times on the road, he's like us to listen to your favorite iPOD, or the beautiful sounds emanating from the exhaust system specifically designed for this car by the best ears at Yamaha Acoustic Instruments company. All this, while sitting in seats made in collaboration with the best aftermarket and OE racing operations and sports car makers.

Affordable, yes, that is one of the first priorities. However, nothing about the car from what I saw in the photos looked CHEAP... The car may be affordable, but all the key ingredients like simple, functional interior, wrapped in very neat fabrics?

All of this and much more I can't say... All of this and MUCH MUCH more...

If AE86 was the starting point, and you had 30 years of technology change, and tools and toys we enjoy, mash it all into a car with dimensions nearly exactly matching the AE86. And taking NONE of the soul out from the AE86. What do you get?

I call it my dream car. And Club4AG will live on forever...
Because the sports car to enjoy from Toyota is BACK!

"Endorsed by CEO Akio Toyoda, Designed by Passion (of Tada's team), and Not by a committee. --Tada says.



Modified by Moto-P at 3:12 AM 7/17/2011



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So I assume you are going to buy one Moto?

I'll buy one new.

And will eventually forgo my left arm, a family, a house and everything I own to buy more if I have to...to get this message across to the people at Club4AG and all those people who made my life such a great joy.

Believe it...

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By the way this car comes packaged, and designed. YOU will EACH have you own version with enough time spent and live with the car like those of us who lived in the 80's and early 90's when AE86 was still fresh. If you are working your ass off, taking on 2 -3 jobs, meeting in garages late into the night, and not taking cell phone calls because you are under this car, wrenching with one hand, and holding a tape measure in the other, thinking about the alignment and wheel offsets...



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so when can you break the embargo?

Embargo? Well time will tell. People at Scion USA and Toyota Japan, Toyota Europe will all get the same exact car. No body swaps, no changes in equipment. Only the badge as they see fit to sell enough to have resources, that will eventually come back to support us for years to come in our ventures and hobbies.

I was told the USA may get one with nicer exhaust system, since we tend to like raspier noises from cars that move quick. But again, that's if up to the decision makers, and if we as enthusiasts voice enough calls. I for one, I am screaming... "YES YES and YES"




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Damn it - Am I gonna have to trade in my WRX for this??? <_<

No you can keep it and maybe you can have all sorts of spares and mix and match parts to make it even more YOURS.



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will the later models will be much better?



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Toyota probably already has one with his name on it

If Akio has one with HIS name on it and has pernament grin driving it on places like Fuji and Nurbugring, we will all have one with our name on it for doing the same on Willow Springs, Irwindale, Laguna Seca and even Boba Cafe Meets!!



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will the later models will be much better?

Of course, even if the current models are tapping every damn idea we have, there is no reason to hold back if there are more ideas into the future right? Look at Porsche 911? It's seen 50 years of improvements. But if you wait... you will miss out on 50 years of fun...That's my point.



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Of course, even if the current models are tapping every damn idea we have, there is no reason to hold back if there are more ideas into the future right? Look at Porsche 911? It's seen 50 years of improvements. But if you wait... you will miss out on 50 years of fun...That's my point.

If you don't want to wait, there's always LEXUS LFA, which probably has all the items you will see in a decade or more, packed into today's carbon chassis and advanced electronics...all for $375,000.

For the rest of us mortals, we will just send some checks to a bank of our choosing for a few years, and enjoy what may be the best car to come out of anyone this decade.



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Nothing futuristic! Just changes in the motor, suspension and minor problems/bugs this first one may have?



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Quote, originally posted by yoimlevinit »
Nothing futuristic! Just changes in the motor, suspension and minor problems/bugs this first one may have?

It's seen more R&D and few hundred thousand miles of testing, than most products I know... Don't worry about it. If there is a issue, they will take care of it. It's a TOYOTA. It's backed by one of the best quality control programs of any manufacturing industry.

If you are concerned about it, here's a fact. It's not designed entirely by the dealer wishlist. It's designed by people who love sports cars, and those who adhere to what Toyota stands for and should be.


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Thanks Moto! we appreciate it! The things that weall need to are the price range and the due date? lol



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Thanks Moto! we appreciate it! The things that we all need to are the price range and the due date? lol

Well, as you can see, Mr.Tada and engineers and even the Big Boss at Toyota has done their jobs VERY WELL. It's really now up to the various Toyota Sales branches all over the world to decide when, where, and how this car will launch. I'm expecting sometime second quarter of 2012, but that isn't official. It will come though... no mistake there.

Engineers, Sales, Marketing, and all involved do know very well, that today's world is very different from before 2008. And they are very carefully considering all aspects of things around us and how we all live. Toyota is very good at this. I will put my trust in them to see that it all works out in the end.

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So far I like what I see
Seems now a day’s car companies come out with a new model and it’s the ugliest thing on the planet (look at the MRS)

Lets to pray it won’t tip the scales at +3500 lbs





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Lets to pray it won’t tip the scales at +3500 lbs

It's nowhere near that much.



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Confirmation on Yamaha's involvement?



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This BIG NEWS is making me so excited I SURELY can't wait for it to come out. To be honest I was in the market for another car and I'm looking at getting a new Mitsubishi EVO X next year since Mitsubishi will soon discontinue that car, but with this news I believe I will hold on (gaman) until this new FT-86 will come out. I'll be putting my money on it....FO SHO!!!! I'm so glad Toyota is back in the game....YYYEEESS!!!!
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Everything about this car is BASIC, and PURE.
It's thought out for the aftermarket builders, racing operations, and not without YOU as enthusiast, the grassroots racers, custom builders, show car builders, and parking lot meet goers.

THAT'S IT!!!
That exactly is why I think me and so many others obsessively love driving/working etc. on the AE86 corolla.
It's BASIC, and PURE.
Your not just sitting there steering...
Your driving it, enjoying it, it's almost like an extension of your body, it becomes a part of you.

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Confirmation on Yamaha's involvement?

You bet!



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I read that SUBARU is planning to release NEW sports car by 2014 that is equipped with 1.6 Turbo engine.

.....I wonder if this has some relation to this FRS.....

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I read that SUBARU is planning to release NEW sports car by 2014 that is equipped with 1.6 Turbo engine.

.....I wonder if this has some relation to this FRS.....

No idea. But I'll take the Toyota FRS because its two years ahead of this and it's got a larger displacement engine with Yamaha tuned exhaust in a NA configuration. :0)




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